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I found this on the internet and it is very compelling to me. Does anyone have any experience with the Sheila Na Gig or any sense of what she represents? According to this article, her image was found on old Celtic churches! Hard to imagine, but true.
www.goddesscafe.com/yoni/sheila.html
www.goddesscafe.com/yoni/sheila.html
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Thu, May 29, 2008 - 8:19 AMThe carvings of the sheila-na-gig found in English and Irish churches and castles fall under the general category of "grotesques," a type of decorative stone carving. None of the more than 150 known examples can be dated earlier than the 11th Century CE., and they are generally limited to the areas of Britain and Ireland which were under Norman control, which suggests a Continental origin for the motif. Very few examples exist in the portions of Ireland where the Normans never held sway.
Multiple theories as to their purpose exist. The pagan-Goddess-figure theory is only one of many, but I'm not inclined to give it much credence because of the dating of the carvings. -
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Fri, May 30, 2008 - 4:47 PMOk. So, if the origin is continental and transmitted along Cambro-Norman lines, then there should be some precedent on the continent. Do you know of any? I know a number of these figures occur in Wales, so they could be brought from there. I don't know of any similar carvings on the continent (though that doesn't really mean anything). I will say, though, that while they can be broadly classed as grotesques, it's pretty clear that they are a very specific art-form.
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 12:30 PMThere seem to be similar figures in some Central European churches.
BUT, the Norman connection is merely the hypothesis that best fits the available information with respect to dating and geographic distribution in Ireland. It's not been proven in any real sense. Many grotesques have been interpreted as warnings to illiterate parishioners about the dangers of sin and iniquity, and there is another hypothesis that these particular carvings are a misogynistic sort of caution against sexuality. it's also fair to consider that most of the carvings in most churches were done not by locals but by teams of carvers brought in from outside the local area, and that the shielas represent a personal preference on the part of the carvers, and little else. For some reason the idea of a stone-carver creating a permanent caricature in stone of a shrewish wife which was then copied numerous times by other carvers who thought it a good bit of decoration seems as plausible as anything else. -
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 1:23 PMMy understanding is that most of them show up over the western portal. Is this mere coincidence then, since they would show up wherever the stone-mason thought appropriate or plausible if they were the object of artistic transmission alone? Your point about the importation of artisans is well taken and seems to me a good entry-point for further research, since many of the assumptions concerning the sheilas are really assumptions of artistic intent, .i. what's their purpose?
Does not the presence of significant female sexuality in the narrative tradition not relate to this, though? I am thinking of Medb's foulness in the Táin and the pissing contest among the women as a means of comparing sexual prowess in ... I think it was the Intoxication of the Ulstermen, but it may be a different tale. Chosing between a carver's shrewish wife and a diminishing tradition of sovereignty goddesses, on whom the community depended, wouldn't the goddess seem more probable as an initial model? Besides, there's nothing to say that the sheilas were not a combination of the two.
Still, their prominence and uniform presentation seems to indicate more than a simple moment of artistic virtuosity which then spread through imitation. Can we agree that more research is required? -
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Tue, June 3, 2008 - 11:44 PMA thought just occurred to me - and I am by no means an expert here or quite as erudite as some of you. But, is it possible that the shelia figure served the same function at some point as the gargolyes later on? A "decoration" that may have served some significant purpose or as has also been speculated here - may have just become "the thing to do."
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:27 AMIt's certainly possible. The geographic distribution of the Shielas and the approximate dating of the churches where they appear suggest that the motif may have been brought into Ireland with the Norman invasion, and thus did not have an Irish origin at all.
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Wed, June 4, 2008 - 7:24 AMI'm not really an expert on the subject, but rather a moderately well-informed layman at best. So I can't tell you if most of the Shielas are over the western entrance to the churches where they appear or not.
In general, though, I think it at best a projection of the wishes of modern pagans to assume that the Shielas somehow reference the legends of pagan Ireland, especially given that many of them were likely carved by non-Irish carvers. And that does not account for the shielas in churches in England and Wales, for which any connection to Irish legend would be highly improbable at best.
One point against the survival of ancient paganism theory is that no comparable symbols have ever been found at a pre-Christian site in the British Isles. One would think that if there were some sort of continuity of pagan belief involved, we'd have found something similar by this point. But the best evidence we have suggests that both Britain south of Hadrian's Wall and Ireland in it's entirety were essentially entirely Christian by the time that the Anglo-Saxon invasions started around the Sixth Century CE, so I don't put a lot of credence in that idea.
My personal feeling is that the Shielas are medieval grotesques of unknown meaning which modern pagans are attempting to interpret as having pagan symbolism, on the basis that they imagine that the medieval Church would not have tolerated such a blatantly sexual symbol, and therefore it somehow MUST be pagan. But again, that's a projection of modern morals and attitudes onto people and a culture who did not necessarily share them.
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Re: Sheila Na Gig
Sat, July 26, 2008 - 8:12 PMI would go here for all of the most recent information collected on sheelanagigs.
www.sheelanagig.org/
Finding your own scholarly information is better than listening to the people on this thread.