So when does everyone plan on doing their Imbolc celebrations/rituals? I am attending my public ritual on Saturday, but I want to do my own by myself. It will have to be after the calendar date of Imbolc, but does that really matter? I am planning on going out to the woods and having a little vigil/ritual there for Brigid, and then going back home and lighting a candle in her honor. What are everyone else's plans?
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 8:08 PMI don't think the calendar date matters, no. The Celts certainly didn't go by the calendar. More by the signs around 'em. Imbolc tended to be timed according to when the ewes started lactating and I'm pretty sure those ewes weren't checking a calendar.
Lots of folks I know go by various times: closest weekend to the official calendar date, or the first full moon following said date, the closest available date they can get off, etc. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 9:01 PMyah i know what the time represents, unfortunately we don't have ewes in the city so i can't tell when they are lactating. tee hee hee. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 10:04 PMMost of us don't. My point was that no, the calendar date makes no difference. -
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 10:49 PMyes, very true! i am curious how many people celebrate it on or around those specific dates or find their own time to do it. =)
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Mon, January 28, 2008 - 10:07 PMI'm a little puzzled by your "calendar" for Imbolc.
By ewes, I'm assuming you mean female sheep. I've had sheep for 50 years, cattle for 35 years and goats for 10 years. All of them begin lactating several days after giving birth. (Just before birthing and for about 3 days after birth, they give colostrum.) They give no milk unless they have first gotten pregnant. And nobody gets pregnant until the male arrives. So lactating isn't based on a time of year, it's entirely due to the time of birth, which can be on any given day of the year.
For animals living in the "wild', there is a general tendency to spring births, but again it's in the spring, over a general period of weeks or month, depending on when the females got "hit". There's no particular "date" involved. And births can and do happen any time.
For domestic sheep, they are just too dumb to successfully live in the wild. If a predator comes, the sheep will either "lay down and die" or run until it dies. Any domestic sheep needs to be protected by a sheppard. And the sheppard decides when to put the buck to the ewes. So again, birth and lactation is determined by when pregnancy occurs.
Some farmers like to time the births in February, to get young ones ready for 4-H shows. Some farmers like to have births in April to avoid complications from cold weather.
.....So, could you explain how "your" Imbolic "calendar" works, according to lactation ? -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:00 AMI didn't pull it out of my ass, if that's what you're asking. It's generally common knowledge that the Irish Celts recognized the changing of the seasons by observing their environment. That Imbolc was associated with the time the ewes began to lactate is well-known.
Here's a Wikipedia entry on it, and a Google search will turn up tons more information.
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 9:03 AMAnother point is that the very word 'Imbolc' refers to pregnant or lactating ewes.
<<<<<In Irish, Imbolc (pronounced im'olk) from the Old Irish, meaning "in the belly" (i mbolg), referring to the pregnancy of ewes, and is also a Celtic term for spring. Another name is Oimelc, meaning "ewe's milk".>>>>> -
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 1:39 PMExcellent points, Nimbrelthil!
I know of at least one coven that celebrates the cross-quarter days exactly at 15 degrees of whatever sign it is. For Imbolc it would be 15 degrees Aquarius. Personally, I do my solitary ritual the evening of the 1st. And I'll continue to honor and celebrate Imbolc for the entire season until Beltane. I don't really believe that it makes all that much difference. Our Lady Brighid surely appreciates any celebration in Her name, whatever the calendar date.
Other natural signs pointing to Imbolc (Spring) are snow-drop flowers pushing up through the snow. And also when the puss paws appear on black willow branches.
My tradition's focus is on the seed sprouting beneath the soil and snow.
My former coven and I used to whip cream into butter in circle while chanting to Brighid on our witch's ladders. I pretty sure the Celts didn't celebrate that way. It doesn't matter. I am Celt. I study as much as I find on ancient Celtic custom, in many countries not just the United Kingdom. From France, Netherlands, Italy, Georgia, and Germany, too. From all that I practice what my heart, soul, and spirit cry out for. And I fill in any blanks how I see fit. For our Pagan forebears had a lot of their ways stripped from them by the Church. A lot seems to be lost forever. I don't have to do things exactly the same as my ancestors, that's called dogma. And I ain't ChristoJew.
I've noticed something about this tribe. And it may be a reason why so few of our many members actually post topics. There are many here who are quick to correct someone else on points of history, sociology, husbandry, whatever. Often it comes across as arrogant and petty. I mean, this is an online discussion group. Not middle school. If you don't wish your posts to read as demeaning and sarcastic then spend a moment to re-read them and realize that other tribe members can't hear inflections or read your body posture. "Just joking" around doesn't translate well to the printed word.
If your intent IS to be an ass, then you've succeeded.
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 2:49 PM<"I've noticed something about this tribe. And it may be a reason why so few of our many members actually post topics. There are many here who are quick to correct someone else on points of history, sociology, husbandry, whatever. Often it comes across as arrogant and petty......If your intent IS to be an ass, then you've succeeded">
I SO agree with you on this. Here someone asks a simple question of time, and they get slapped in the face with an issue of who's calendar is whose. What the hell? I have tried posting on other similar sites about various things and there are always those who show how "book smart they are without simply answering the question, or just plain being nice.
I like what you said about whipping butter as part of the activity to celebrate Imbolc. I have done similar things during celebrations. We put together ideas of fun things to do during the celebration and have fun with it. Does it always go with the symbolism of the celebration? not always, but it is still a part of celebrating and experiencing the joy of the season.
As you pointed out, we don't know everything and certainly could not celebrate exactly how the Celts did it, but the spirit and heart of Celtic Paganism should be inside your soul and heart not just your mind. You fill in what works well and the rest is the spiritual connection and personal experience you have with the divine.
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 3:10 PMUm, I don't see where anyone was getting slapped with 'who's calendar is whose.'
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 10:40 PMThere are some disputes on this. Oimelc does mean ewes milk.
But it is deeper too. Some in Ireland believe the word goes back to a verb folcaim (I wash) Imb-fholc is to wash ones self. Also one witnesses the earth in cleansing from the melting snow and quickening rivers.
In Lora O'Briens book she quotes from Nerys Pattersons "Cattle Lords and Clansmen goes thus:
"Tasting of each food in accordance to order, this is what is proper at Imbolc:washing the hands, the feet, the head..."
Though I have been taught to emphasize sound from the I and then the mbolc. I will ask tomorrow in class and repost.
If anyone is in NW Ohio, there are some really great and affordable classes for Irish Gaelic in BG!!
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 7:45 PMI'll take a stab at a somewhat educated guess here. I'm thinking that that point in February on an island of the latitude that Ireland and England are, the sheep would have been down off the pastures and close to the homesteads. In that case you probably could time things so that your lambing season began sometime in what we call late January/February and as you know even if each animal is different if several ewes lamb near each other they probably end up producing actual milk at about the same time. If enough folks in a village have flocks and manage their stock in such a way that lambing season is pretty much at the same time every year then I can see a celebration of that developing. The more ewes producing lambs the more meat, milk and wool for the shephard and his family so I can see a celebration growing up around that assurance of survival.
I don't know any of this for sure of course but the more I think about it the more sense it makes.
Peace,
Raven
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 10:57 PMJim,
Spring births, and the first borns of the year were very important. A good strong births and good strong milk flows from them in the spring were good omens if you will.
Bountiful and early births - following through the season gave a man more wealth and ability to trade through them toward the end of the year. This was a time for contracts, settling debts, and even marriage proposals. Not a custom just in old Ireland.
Plus this was a time of year when many women were close to birth from traditional marriages during Lughnasadh. So something as simple as ewes milk, coming out of the winters scarcity, would be important and sacred on those grounds also.
I hope this helps you. :)
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Tue, January 29, 2008 - 10:26 PMI too like to celebrate solitary and with a group for spiritual purposes. :)
This year we are celebrating Brigid, yes making the crosses.
But also making bath salts, it is also a time of cleansing. Here is an article on ritual bathing www.theartistgrimoire.com/2008/...g.html
Mostly we enjoy a girl time thing with wine and merriment.
The date lies between the winter solstice and vernal equinox. I am sure in the earliest times it was through astronomical observance and coupled with animal observation. Many use goat and sheep milk as part of their ritual. The date was also traditionally used for divination associated with crops and future husbands.
If you want an Irish perspective read Lora O'Briens book "Irish Witchcraft from an Irish Witch" A great read for wiccan and non wiccan.
www.sacredtexts.com is a great and plentiful source for information on these topics.
It seems likely that in those old times, as now - people customized and adapted things locally - so there are always going to be variances.
Love to all! -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:23 AMImbolc is my birthday * February 1st* My Scottish great grandmummy who spoke Gaelic celebrated it right before midnight on Feb. 1st. How thrilled she was to have a grandaughter born on this day. I have enjoyed reading everyone's post. I do a cleansing bath w/ sea salts, bay leaves, vanilla.I make an altar with a wreath of heather , white cloth with a red veil, green candles. I do a space clearing and cast a circle. My midnight ceremony consists of dancing with candles and the offering of goat milk and oatmeal cakes. It is also my birthday so lots of beer gets flowing to!!! Best wishes and joyful Imolc!!
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 12:06 PMI absolutely LOVE Sacred Text Archive! What a treasure trove! It's like the internet version of the library of Alexandria! -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 2:41 PMI will be lighting a candle and blessing our home in the name of Brigit, Bride of the Golden Hair, Bride of the White Hills, Patroness of Poetry, Healing, Childbirth, and Smithcraft. A nice quiet and peaceful winter evening to be thankful for health and home and books of poems.
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 8:19 PMI have Irish Witchcraft from an Irish Witch. It's not bad, even though she says that it's not wiccan, I can still see a lot of that in there. But it's a very good book nonetheless!! -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 8:59 PMThat's funny. I read the book and didn't see anything about it that was specifically Wiccan. I think that what you or others see in the book that makes you say 'I can still see a lot of that in there" has more to say about how Wicca borrows/steals from different cultural practices.
I enjoyed the book myself, but I've since learned that there's a fair bit of dispute as to just how accurate it is. -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:21 PMThat could be. But what I found most interesting was that she is Wiccan herself, and decided to write about Irish witchcraft, which is essentially different. I understand that Wicca borrows from the Celtic pantheon. But that's all I was really trying to say. -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 10:56 PMIs she? Huh. I thought she wasn't a Wiccan. That is interesting. It's in the book somewhere that she stresses rather emphatically that she was not writing about Wicca. Unless I'm totally spacy and thinking of a different book and author. I always took that to mean that she was, as the title says, just an Irish Witch.
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 4:36 PMAh yes, she isn't Wiccan anymore, but she did train in a Wiccan coven, and has three Wiccan degrees. Now she considers herself just an Irish Witch. =) -
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 6:49 PMWell only Lora can speak for herself. But what I have read in her book, her posts, and through the class all point to some strong ideas that wiccans usually avoid. Like the harm none rule.
Personally I would use any means available to prevent someone from hurting my own, or after doing so- from doing it again to someone else. Any means to the point of curses and what not. I feel by omission to your power to act - you would become an accomplice to the potential act or subsequent acts of the person you should fight that clearly means harm.
I apply my ethics as far as I can and target behavior as the trigger, as opposed to the person.
she has a website irishwitchcraft.com/
and a yahoo group groups.yahoo.com/group/irish_witchcraft/
On her website she offers classes. I found it delightful in that she does not teach from "this is the way, the only way" perspective. But rather leads you into your own deep and ancient woods. Mind you the currency conversion is a pain to deal with in paypal.
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 4:09 AMOur coven celebrates as close to Feb 1 as possible. I have had sheep but don't at this time. I will let you know that in these modern times we celebrate when everyone can actually make it to ritual, we try to keep it within 3 days of the so called official date.
We plan on holding ritual and celebrating our abundance and well being by honoring Brigid and blessing hearth and home. -
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 6:38 PMI think this makes the most sense for a coven. It is just easier. :) HOPE the fire is warm!!
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Thu, January 31, 2008 - 8:25 PMWill probably do a little to mark the day after work, but spend a little more time on a day off. I think you're right with the thought of it, if we can't schedule the actual day off. -
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 9:35 AMMy point in posting about when sheep lactate was that sheep begin lactating when they give birth. Left to their own devices, they will get pregnant whenever possible. It's the shepard who decides to arrange a most suitable timing for birth, by controlling when the buck visits the ewes. You can't relieably mark a calendar to an event that, if left alone without some input, could happen at any time.
So it's a chicken/ egg sort of thing. Which came first. The event or the arrangement and/or the timing of the event ? Did the sheppard breed his sheep to mark Imbolc or did Imbloc somehow determine when the sheep got pregnant ?
I believe that very often Elders, Wise Men & Women and Medicine People sought ways to enhance the lives of the peoples they cared for. I believe that very often "they" would enhance logical happenings with a bit of mysticism and fun to get people to do the sensible thing.
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...A couple of examples of this is....
The plains Indians (of the "US") would arrange their teepees in a circle with all the "doors" facing east. That arrangement is now thought of as being the Spiritual Way of doing it. The Circle representing all life, the doorways facing to honor Father Sun. But think about the practical reasons for such an arrangement, ..an ordered arrangement of camp that no one protested because it was a "Great Mystery" thing, and the doors facing east to catch the first light of day to help burn off the early morning dew and light and warm the interior of the dwelling. The Elders turned a good thing to do into a necessary thing to do by giving it an overlayment of Spirituality.
Another example is the Purification Lodge, (aka: sweat lodge). Getting very hot and sweating the impurities out of your body is very healthy. It is also very cleaning and is very helpful in causing everyone to smell better. These are things that matter in societies that haven't yet invented indoor plumbing and bathtubs. When you live in close contact with many people, if one gets sick, everybody gets sick. And if one person just doesn't care about personal hygiene, it can get to be a long winter living in a relatively small space. A solution is to make doing regular Lodges a part of Spiritual Life. Then everybody participates, for the good of all...for many reasons.
Look, I'm not saying that we critically examine everything spiritual and turn it into some kind of logic. I'm saying that, as people in this particular tribe, we tend to be leaders in our various groups. Therefore we might be well advised to more deeply understand the reasons things are done. If as leaders we say do this or do that, and we ourselves don't understand the "why" behind it, then we can fail as leaders.
Prophesy tells us that the World is in the midst of great changes. In the next five years it is going to get to be much more dramatic. We Earth Walkers must know what we are doing, or people will get hurt. When the electricity is gone, when the clocks no longer function, we had better be able to accurately tell when the seasons change so we are able to know when to prepare for winter and when to plant our gardens.
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 1:35 PMI don't know the whys or wherefores, and I don't know how much dispute there is as to the concept, but yes, Imbolc is associated with lactating ewes. Mind I'm not saying that's the _only_ association, obviously it isn't. Nor do I know much about how the Celts kept sheep. But I assure you, it's not a random assumption I pulled out of the ether. Most of the sources I've read about Imbolc _do_ say that Celts associated it with the time that sheep began to lactate.
I _never_ said that it was how _I_ marked the date, either. I was pretty clear in my first post on this issue that my sole point was that the calendar date was not crucially important.
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Fri, February 1, 2008 - 2:19 PMFirstly, I apologize, Jim. I should follow my own advice and read over my own posts before I submit them.
I see your point about when sheep lactate and your point about the shepherd arranging when the ewes get pregnant, and hence about when they'll give birth, thus bringing the lactation. I don't believe the Celts pinpointed a day each year to be Imbolc. Unless they used the moon to calculate it. I think the cross quarter days moved around, while the solstices and equinoxes could be marked to the day.
As for which came first, Imbolc or lactating ewes for Imbolc? I would guess the season of Imbolc had another name, and when our people started herding sheep, they realized it was more efficient to have newborn lambs in late winter early spring, in the season of Imbolc. It's a good topic to consider.
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Tue, February 5, 2008 - 3:53 PMVery good points.
Though sheep are so far into domestication - who knows how they behaved before, or in the early days of. I suppose one could take a closer look at sheep or goats that have become wild in the Uk possibly. Or perhaps wild species in the US. Do they give birth all year long, even in winter? I good question to explore. Though with Deer it is usually early spring too.
The plains here in Ohio do resonate with such great song - don't you think? Full of wind and history and change. So many hear others sing during ceremony. Have you?
And why don't you have any of your work up in your album- it would be great to see? Not an easy art at all. :)
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Mon, February 11, 2008 - 12:50 PM"Cormac's association of Imbolc with the arrival of lambs and of sheep's milk probably reflected farming practices that ensured that lambing would precede calving. This would be due to the shep's ability to crop lower for grass and survive better than the cow on the meager vegetation of late winter."
"Shearing and washing break the bond between dam and lamb and bring about weaning. This in turn causes ovulation soon after the summer solstice, since ovulation in the sheep is triggered by the lengthening of night-time after mid-summer. Given a gestation period of five months, the first lambs would drop in late January or early February." _Cattle Lords and Clansmen_ by Nerys Patterson.
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Mon, February 18, 2008 - 9:38 AMbloody australian summer ... messing with my imbolc.
but this has been an amazingly fertile, achingly heartbreaking, eventually calming and self-nurturing few weeks ...
wherever, however this time has been celebrated, even if it has celebrated unknowingly ... yay!
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